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we are joined by former presidential candidate jon huntsman and congressman joe manchin next. bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying "progress-oh!" share your story for a chance to win a progress-oh! makeover in hollywood. go to facebook.com/progresso to enter. >>> with me now, senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia and former presidential candidate and former utah governor jon huntsman, thank you for being here and joining forces here. i have to say when i was reading about this, and said, okay, goals to argue less and act more, and i'm thinking, yeah, but how do you go about that, particularly from the outside? why is an outside group needed? >> well, let me say from no labels' standpoint when i was a senator two years ago, i was enamored from this, because i came from a governorship, and jon and i were governors together in 2004 we were elected respectively from utah and west virginia and friends and democrat and republican to solve problems and i thought th
we are joined by former presidential candidate jon huntsman and congressman joe manchin next. bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying "progress-oh!" share your story for a chance to win a progress-oh! makeover in hollywood. go to facebook.com/progresso to enter. >>> with me now, senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia and former presidential candidate and former...
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then the dying art of bipartisanship with west virginia democratic senator joe manchin and former republican presidential candidate jon huntsman. plus, guns, spending and all the president's men and we do mean men, with republican congresswoman marcia blackburn, democratic congressman elijah cummings, "the new york times" jeff zeleny. and jeff scherer. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." >>> a month after the massacre in newton, connecticut, the vice president is expected to present an array of gun control proposals this week. # he has publicly mentioned universal background checks on gun buyers and restrictions on high capacity magazines. the white house adds that president will also push congress for an assault weapons ban, a spokesman explained biden did not mention the controversial ban because the panel focused on consensus proposals. it appears you can count the national rifle association out of that conken sus. for starters, biden talked about his conclusions before he met with the nra and after the biden session the gun rights lobby said, quote, we were disappointed with
then the dying art of bipartisanship with west virginia democratic senator joe manchin and former republican presidential candidate jon huntsman. plus, guns, spending and all the president's men and we do mean men, with republican congresswoman marcia blackburn, democratic congressman elijah cummings, "the new york times" jeff zeleny. and jeff scherer. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." >>> a month after the massacre in newton, connecticut, the vice...
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vice president joe biden and west virginia's joe manchin helped senator kirk slowly ascend the 45 steps of the ceremonial staircase that leads to the senate floor. [ applause ] >> reporter: the assembled legislators spontaneously broke into applause several times at the return of senator kirk. inside the chamber the vice president administered the oath of office to small groups of the newly elected senators including virginia's tim kaine. >> and that you will faithfully discharge the duties of your office upon which you're about to enter so help you god. >> i do. >> congratulations, senators. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> reporter: later virginia's newest senator mingled with supporters in a reception. tim kaine who worked with a republican dominated legislature as governor of virginia says he's coming to the congress to build bipartisan bridges but with his eyes wide open. >> that means over the next 60 days with a ticking clock on sequester and on the debt ceiling we've got to continue to talk about budget and physical soundness. >> reporter: during the campaign you expressed confiden
vice president joe biden and west virginia's joe manchin helped senator kirk slowly ascend the 45 steps of the ceremonial staircase that leads to the senate floor. [ applause ] >> reporter: the assembled legislators spontaneously broke into applause several times at the return of senator kirk. inside the chamber the vice president administered the oath of office to small groups of the newly elected senators including virginia's tim kaine. >> and that you will faithfully discharge...
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>> harry reid, joe manchin from west virginia, bob casey from pennsylvania. the aim for the president now is to find these n.r.a.-backed democrats and squeeze them and put the pressure on and say, are you uncomfortable when i bring little children up here to talk about schoolplace shootings? i can do it in your state or where you live and i can come and keep the pressure on you, until you agree to do some kind of a gun ban and get on board. remember this, megyn, you hit it right on the head, if the president can't get legislation out of the senate, he can't begin to apply pressure on the house. he can talk about it, but until the senate can actually move legislation, it's not going to work, so somebody like joe manchin who we first met on the national scene shooting with a deer rifle, the president's cap and trade bill back in 2010, if he can't get guys like that to sign up and get on board, nothing will happen. i bet he'll come with a pretty heavy hand. >> megyn: he's a west virginia guy, joe manchin and you're a west virginia guy. west virginia is not going
>> harry reid, joe manchin from west virginia, bob casey from pennsylvania. the aim for the president now is to find these n.r.a.-backed democrats and squeeze them and put the pressure on and say, are you uncomfortable when i bring little children up here to talk about schoolplace shootings? i can do it in your state or where you live and i can come and keep the pressure on you, until you agree to do some kind of a gun ban and get on board. remember this, megyn, you hit it right on the...
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i had joe manchin tell me this. >> you do that with a regular gun, semi automatic gun. you don't need assault weapon. street sweepers. >> and that's the challenge. the challenge in '94, it will be the challenge today, as they try to write legislation to bring to the senate if they do a piece meal approach. how do you define it? because it's not the semiautomatic feature. it's the stock, it's the site, it's the grip. those are the things they had to write into the law in 1994. they had to specify very specific models. and that becomes a challenge, not just for writing legislation but for -- >> the cynic in me says the assault weapons ban proposal is up for negotiation. >> yeah. >> it says, if they can get universal background checks and the >> there are gun control advocates including carol mccarthy who suggests that might not be -- that would be an outcome -- here's a question for me, how much does president obama actually invest in this proposal. >> he was more invested yesterday than i thought he would be. >> there's a lot of other things that he needs to do this year
i had joe manchin tell me this. >> you do that with a regular gun, semi automatic gun. you don't need assault weapon. street sweepers. >> and that's the challenge. the challenge in '94, it will be the challenge today, as they try to write legislation to bring to the senate if they do a piece meal approach. how do you define it? because it's not the semiautomatic feature. it's the stock, it's the site, it's the grip. those are the things they had to write into the law in 1994. they...
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west virginia senator joe manchin is with us. former florida congressman connie mack joins me, and actor steven michael pozatta from "breaking bad." "starting point" comes to you live with special coverage from newtown, connecticut. we begin right now. ♪ >>> morning. welcome, everybody. we're coming to you live this morning, as i said, from newtown, connecticut. life in this small town changed forever a month ago today. today is the day of remembrance for those 20 children and six adults who were gunned down at sandy hook elementary school a month ago. today at 10:30 eastern time the stratford connecticut town council will vote on a proposal to name a new school after victoria soto, a teacher who was killed in that shooting. then at 11:00 a.m. eastern the group sandy hook promise unveils its plan to honor the victims. a national grassroots effort to address gun violence. they'll be joined by families of victims and survivors of other mass shootings. >>> last night at a public forum some 200 newtown residents debated the future
west virginia senator joe manchin is with us. former florida congressman connie mack joins me, and actor steven michael pozatta from "breaking bad." "starting point" comes to you live with special coverage from newtown, connecticut. we begin right now. ♪ >>> morning. welcome, everybody. we're coming to you live this morning, as i said, from newtown, connecticut. life in this small town changed forever a month ago today. today is the day of remembrance for those 20...
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i wanted to play you first something that senator joe manchin, a democrat from west virginia a man you know very well said to us last sunday. >> it has to be comp hencive and that's what i have tried to t l tell. harry reid the majority reader in the setting thes. the president's first major speech out of washington this term is going to be on immigration. so what i'm wondering is, whether you feel, this has been a rhetorical priority. i wonder if it's a legislative priority. >> let me say this, this has always been an uphill fight this. has never been easy. this is the hardest of the hard. now will it only be assault weapons? no, most likely. there will be a package put together, if assault weapons is left out of the package and i'm a member of judiciary number two in seniority, i've been assured by the leader that i'll be able to do it as an amendment on the floor, which is the way i did it in 1993, so that doesn't bother me. i have seen weapons spawn and grow and now in the hands of youngernd younger people over these years. i think you reach a point as i said earlier where enough i
i wanted to play you first something that senator joe manchin, a democrat from west virginia a man you know very well said to us last sunday. >> it has to be comp hencive and that's what i have tried to t l tell. harry reid the majority reader in the setting thes. the president's first major speech out of washington this term is going to be on immigration. so what i'm wondering is, whether you feel, this has been a rhetorical priority. i wonder if it's a legislative priority. >> let...
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. >>> west virginia democratic senator joe manchin says he will lead a new group aiming to get congress to get the country's needs ahead of politics. former utah republican for and presidential candidate john hunts man will be the co-chairman of no labels. the organization will host event next weekbe featuring other lawmakers with reputations as problem-solvers. joe biden says he can find common ground with the nra in an effort to reduce gun violence. the nra says it's not so sure. we'll talk about it with the fox all-stars when we return. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> this is a some plicated issue. there is no singular solution for how we deal with what happened in newtown or colorado or just the general gun violence that exists in america today. >> i committed to him, i had the recommendations to him by tuesday.
. >>> west virginia democratic senator joe manchin says he will lead a new group aiming to get congress to get the country's needs ahead of politics. former utah republican for and presidential candidate john hunts man will be the co-chairman of no labels. the organization will host event next weekbe featuring other lawmakers with reputations as problem-solvers. joe biden says he can find common ground with the nra in an effort to reduce gun violence. the nra says it's not so sure....
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. >> reporter: west virginia democrat joe manchin, who sounded open to new gun control measures immediately after the newtown massacre now wants a slow moving washington commission. >> if you just want gun bans you're wrong. >> what do we need? >> we need a comprehensive approach. >> reporter: with sales of firearms that congress might ban now sky rocketing, a top senate democrat called for a voluntary moratorium. >> if we continue to see nearly 80,000 gun sales each month in states all over the country, it's going to be counterproductive to whatever solution we will implement. >> reporter: the new york legislature sped towards passage of a tough new assault weapons ban. a move more states may copy as similar efforts stall in congress. >> thank you, mr. president. >> reporter: another uphill fight, the hagel nomination. democrats still question hagel's support for israel and earlier opposition to unilateral sanctions against iran. >> i am not comfortable yet. i want to ask him questions about those two issues. >> reporter: and a new issue. hagel's reputation as a hot head. >> there are numb
. >> reporter: west virginia democrat joe manchin, who sounded open to new gun control measures immediately after the newtown massacre now wants a slow moving washington commission. >> if you just want gun bans you're wrong. >> what do we need? >> we need a comprehensive approach. >> reporter: with sales of firearms that congress might ban now sky rocketing, a top senate democrat called for a voluntary moratorium. >> if we continue to see nearly 80,000 gun...
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senator joe manchin, i want to open with what he said to us last sunday. >> on just gun s alone will not go anywhere. >> it has to be comprehensive. and that's what i told everybody, has to be a comprehensive approach. >> senator manchin says this has to be more than a gun ban. senator harry reid, saying i don't think this is going to pass. he doesn't want to bring up something that doesn't pass. major speech out of washington, this term, on immigrant. what i'm wondering is if you feel this has been a rhetorical priority. i wonder if it's a legislative priority. >> let me say this. this has been an uphill fight. this has never been easy. this is the hardest of the hard. now, will it only be assault weapons? no. most likely. there will be a package put together if assault weapons is left out of the package or i'm a member of the judiciary number two in seniority. i've been assured by the majority leader i will be able to do it as an amendment on the floor. i did it in 1993. that doesn't particularly bother me. what does bother me, i have seen weapons spawn and grow and in the hands of
senator joe manchin, i want to open with what he said to us last sunday. >> on just gun s alone will not go anywhere. >> it has to be comprehensive. and that's what i told everybody, has to be a comprehensive approach. >> senator manchin says this has to be more than a gun ban. senator harry reid, saying i don't think this is going to pass. he doesn't want to bring up something that doesn't pass. major speech out of washington, this term, on immigrant. what i'm wondering is if...
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there is a new group forming with senator joe manchin who is a democrat from west virginia and jon huntsman who was a presidential candidate a moderate who is trying to form this group to form bipartisanship, and is that possible anymore? we want to look at gun debate through the prism of bipartisanship and is that at all possible? >> do you believe they will come to some type of agreement here, because certainly a lot of issues on the table? >> yes. i think that there are a lot of issues on the table, so, i think that there are some things that the white house is prepared to do in terms of making the background checks more effective and laws in place to fund more of the money for some of the background check, and tighten up the sort of mental health background check, and try to help states comply a little bit more, but in terms of the big things, that is, what about the magazine clips that can fire so many bullets at the, you know, one right after the other in rampant fire, and what about the assault weapons ban? i don't know. we will see a little bit more coming up, because we do expect i
there is a new group forming with senator joe manchin who is a democrat from west virginia and jon huntsman who was a presidential candidate a moderate who is trying to form this group to form bipartisanship, and is that possible anymore? we want to look at gun debate through the prism of bipartisanship and is that at all possible? >> do you believe they will come to some type of agreement here, because certainly a lot of issues on the table? >> yes. i think that there are a lot of...
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. >> senator joe manchin, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you, chris. >>> well, it was a fun ride while it lasted. gas prices though are on the rise again. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. >> chris, after months of dropping we're all enjoying that ride. it seems that gas prices are creeping up again. you've got at the moment the average u.s. price of a regular gallon, it surged about seven cents in the last three weeks. sitting at $3.30 a month ago, chris, we were at $3.27. mind you, we are still lower than the $3.39 of a year ago. diesel, i do believe, is remaining unchanged at around $3.96 a gallon. if you want to know where the highest prices are, lowest prices are, of the places surveyed in 48 states, salt lake city has the average lowest price, long island new york has the highest at $3.75. unlucky us. >> cnbc's mandy drury. thank you. >> thank you. >>> forget about who took home those golden globe statues. e entertainment got a look at the best dressed. here are the favorites. videoey deschane in red. julianne huff, rocker edge. sop
. >> senator joe manchin, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you, chris. >>> well, it was a fun ride while it lasted. gas prices though are on the rise again. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. >> chris, after months of dropping we're all enjoying that ride. it seems that gas prices are creeping up again. you've got at the moment the average u.s. price of a regular gallon, it surged about seven cents in the last three weeks....
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democratic senator joe manchin and former republican presidential candidate jon huntsman called their partnership no labels. governor huntsman and senator manchin join me now. what's with the yellow ties, did you send out a memo today? >> we're working together across party lines. >> it's an auspicious color and today's an auspicious day, joe, that's what it's all about. >> all right. so governor, or i should say senator manchin, you're also a former governor of west virginia, the president came out swinging today against republicans in his news conference. let's listen. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leveraged to be used. >> he's talking about bipartisan, but you would agree that he's also playing politics here or no? >> i'm not going to second-guess what the president, his motives and everything
democratic senator joe manchin and former republican presidential candidate jon huntsman called their partnership no labels. governor huntsman and senator manchin join me now. what's with the yellow ties, did you send out a memo today? >> we're working together across party lines. >> it's an auspicious color and today's an auspicious day, joe, that's what it's all about. >> all right. so governor, or i should say senator manchin, you're also a former governor of west virginia,...
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of rugged individualists out in nevada and that's true across the democrats in the west, appalachia, joe manchin, that's the deal, this is a cultural, region population density question, not a democrat-republican question. >> megyn: this is interesting, you pointed this out in your power play piece last week, a lot of times in the big cities, people's experiences with guns is those are things held by bad guys who want it hurt us, take our things and hurt our children. and the experience of those who are, you know, in more rural areas is, this is a family air loom, my dad taught me how to shoot and taught him how to shoot and we enjoy for recreation, it's one of our constitutional rights we like to exercise and it's nobody's business. and there are exceptions, but there is a split. and you can see it not just in the constituents, but the lawmakers who are sort of uniform on some of the issues and are the not on this one. >> that's right, not too many scatter guns over the upper west side or chevy chase or places like that, and the president opted not to have the dialog and bring in the pe
of rugged individualists out in nevada and that's true across the democrats in the west, appalachia, joe manchin, that's the deal, this is a cultural, region population density question, not a democrat-republican question. >> megyn: this is interesting, you pointed this out in your power play piece last week, a lot of times in the big cities, people's experiences with guns is those are things held by bad guys who want it hurt us, take our things and hurt our children. and the experience...
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biden had been meeting today with let's say joe manchin n.r.a. backed senator from west virginia or john dingell n.r.a. backed from michigan and groups pro gun, maybe they're going to try to do a big deal, maybe try to do something comprehensive, but it looks like and certainly sounded like from the president from his tone and the press conference today that he recognizes it's not likely that the measure has the votes to get through congress and he's going to do what he can and do it his own way. >> megyn: what do you expect that to mean? he talked about it a little today. he didn't go to the controversial place. but it didn't sound like something's really going to upset the gun lobby in the way na, you know, high capacity magazine restrictions would upset them or extensive background checks would upset them. >> well, we don't know what the vice-president -- could be as soon as today that the vice-president hands over his recommendations to the president. we don't know what all is in there. and certainly the vice-president was very enthusiastic a
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we haven't seen a lot of people line up behind joe manchin to look at the nra and say hey, we need to moderate ourselves or we need to be at least open to some change. so do you think at this moment that this time is different, or has the moment passed in some ways? >> you know, i think we are living in a time when there is slightly a culture of instant amnesia where -- and maybe it's to do with the amount of media we have access to. it's like we gorge ourselves on a story, and then after a few days, it's gone. and that happens, unfortunately, at a policy level but also from a viewer level. and so the urgency seems so intense at the time. and it certainly did -- i was up in newtown for four days at the time, and it seemed like the whole country was focused on this. you had not just manchin, you had senator warner come out and speak about this. you had congressman from kentucky come out and speak about this. we thought perhaps that was going to be the beginning of a national dialogue of people who did have a good rating with the nra coming out and saying maybe we need to have at least
we haven't seen a lot of people line up behind joe manchin to look at the nra and say hey, we need to moderate ourselves or we need to be at least open to some change. so do you think at this moment that this time is different, or has the moment passed in some ways? >> you know, i think we are living in a time when there is slightly a culture of instant amnesia where -- and maybe it's to do with the amount of media we have access to. it's like we gorge ourselves on a story, and then after...
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and the question is really for those -- those lawmakers that -- who we heard from, like joe manchin, the senator from west virginia, and other progun lawmakers who came out and said that they might be in favor of some sort of legislation early on. and then we didn't hear from some of them throughout this time. where they stand now, and how senator reid, the senate majority leader stands going forward. jon: that is going to be -- well the devil is in the details as always. bret baier the anchor of special report. i know you'll be on with a great program tonight on all of this. thank you. jenna: a critical deadline is approaching fast, the national credit card about to reach its limit and now democrats apparently want to get rid of that limit all together. the latest on this debate from capitol hill coming up. also, the world's newest luxury jet grounded now by japan. the latest problems with the dreamliner, next. if there was a pill to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to yo
and the question is really for those -- those lawmakers that -- who we heard from, like joe manchin, the senator from west virginia, and other progun lawmakers who came out and said that they might be in favor of some sort of legislation early on. and then we didn't hear from some of them throughout this time. where they stand now, and how senator reid, the senate majority leader stands going forward. jon: that is going to be -- well the devil is in the details as always. bret baier the anchor...
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manchin. so i think the focus needs to be on what are republicans willing to do. the white house is not going to go way left on this. they know that there needs to be some middle ground consensus. and i think that what is going to push that mid ground c-- mid grou le ground consensus is the american people. i think this happened after the 20 people were massacred in newtown. >> i think a lot of people are saying the same thing. on a different topic, i want your impressions on the president's new cabinet nominees coming out. amy, i'll go to you first. your overall opinion and highlights? >> my overall impression is that the president, he is stacking up a railroad car full of very highly controversial nominees. we have jack lew for u.s. treasury who we already have -- we see very stiff opposition to. and the president surely knew that going in. there have been reports that mr. lew was quite controversial when it came to the debt ceiling negotiation, that the other side did not find him to be sor
manchin. so i think the focus needs to be on what are republicans willing to do. the white house is not going to go way left on this. they know that there needs to be some middle ground consensus. and i think that what is going to push that mid ground c-- mid grou le ground consensus is the american people. i think this happened after the 20 people were massacred in newtown. >> i think a lot of people are saying the same thing. on a different topic, i want your impressions on the...
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senator joe manchin, west virginia, and john mccain were on the cbs show over the weekend. here's what they have to say about it. >> how we got into a culture of mass violence. if you're just going to say it's all about guns and we need gun changes and bans, you're wrong. >> we need -- >> we need a comprehensive approach. >> do you think an assault weapons ban can pass the congress? >> no. >> do you think it should? >> no. >>steve: it's interesting, harry reid said over the weekend -- in the past harry reid voted against assault weapons bans. harry reid doesn't know whether or not it would pass congress either. he thinks it might get through the senate but it would probably not pass in the house. the other thing is joe biden and his commission are going to come up with their findings. tomorrow they're going to release it. the last time we had the debt commission findings, did the administration pay attention to that? no. >> i think the commission knows what the findings are already. >>gretchen: joe biden heads this committee versus the other committee which was not the vice
senator joe manchin, west virginia, and john mccain were on the cbs show over the weekend. here's what they have to say about it. >> how we got into a culture of mass violence. if you're just going to say it's all about guns and we need gun changes and bans, you're wrong. >> we need -- >> we need a comprehensive approach. >> do you think an assault weapons ban can pass the congress? >> no. >> do you think it should? >> no. >>steve: it's...
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gr then you should listen up to what center joe manchin had to say from west virginia where he had the courage to say he recognized the need to review these issues of gun safety measure hes or senator warner from virginia or senator casey from pennsylvania. >> they are all from the east coast. my question is have you heard anybody from the midwest talk about it? >> absolutely. senator tester from montana has weighed in on the issue, as well. the point is these are senators from strong nra states. and they understand the need to address this issue. >> and that's why harry reid doesn't want to take it on because he is from a strong nra state because in las vegas, they are have christmas wreathes made out of bullet casings. i saw it when i was there in december. >> but the point simply is this -- >> harry reid has a local skin in the game. >> sadly we have to wrap this up, but i hope -- >> carol, if i can -- >> i got go. >> grneorge herbert walker bushs a great man. >> agree on that. >> me, too. robert zimmerman, and that navarro, thank you so much. >>> gun control activists take on walma
gr then you should listen up to what center joe manchin had to say from west virginia where he had the courage to say he recognized the need to review these issues of gun safety measure hes or senator warner from virginia or senator casey from pennsylvania. >> they are all from the east coast. my question is have you heard anybody from the midwest talk about it? >> absolutely. senator tester from montana has weighed in on the issue, as well. the point is these are senators from...
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. >> joe manchin and a lot of other people that have hunted their entire life said i've never gone into the woods needing more than ten bullets. it's extreme. you know, that argument that wayne lapierre said that excites some in the base, just like those people that were excited at those last-minute romney rallies, said, you know, if a bad person has a gun, you need a good person with a gun. that's the only way you can stop a bad person with a gun. he was talking, of course, about having armed guards in every school in america. and great, i'd love to have an armed guard at my children's schools. please, put them there. if we've got the money, let's do it. but you know what happens with anybody that knows anything about guns, robert, with an armed guard standing out front of a school with a pistol or a revolver, even a glock, which he wouldn't have, a guy walks in across the street and lifts his bushmaster and blows the guy away in two seconds and walks over the good guy's body. >> right. >> it's just like you said, why do we want to arm the bad guys with military-style weapons, especial
. >> joe manchin and a lot of other people that have hunted their entire life said i've never gone into the woods needing more than ten bullets. it's extreme. you know, that argument that wayne lapierre said that excites some in the base, just like those people that were excited at those last-minute romney rallies, said, you know, if a bad person has a gun, you need a good person with a gun. that's the only way you can stop a bad person with a gun. he was talking, of course, about having...